Steven: “Hi, I’m Steven. What’s your name?”
Caleb: “Caleb. Nice to meet you.”
Steven: “Nice to meet you too, Caleb. We’re in New York City, right?”
Caleb: “Yeah, in Chelsea. It’s where I stick around most days. The galleries are nice to look at, and people here are a little more willing to spare a buck. Very nice people out here for sure.”
Steven: “That’s great to hear! How long have you been homeless?”
Caleb: “Almost four years now. Wow… saying it out loud sure makes me feel old.”
Steven: “What happened, if you’re okay sharing?”
Caleb: “It was a combination of things. I used to work in tech like web development, coding, stuff like that. I had a pretty good wage, but the pressure and long hours… I started using Adderall to keep up. Then it spiraled into harder stuff. Eventually, I lost my job, burned through my savings, broke ties with my family, and here I am.”
Steven: “I’m sorry to hear that… did you get proper treatment for your addiction?”
Caleb: “Yeah, I went to a drug rehab center a while ago…probably like a year…a little longer… and it took several tries like four or five from previous years, but I actually stick to it and now I am clean!”
Steven: “That’s amazing to hear. Drugs is a massive problem here for the homeless population, and they almost get tricked into using it because they have nothing else to turn to, so I’m glad you broke free from the cycle… do you still code?”
Caleb: “Yeah, when I can. I hang out at the library sometimes and use the computers there if they let me. They usually do but when it’s too crowded then they ask me to leave, but they respect me and I respect them. Currently, I’m working on this little app but it’s nothing fancy, just something to help people like me find resources in the city like pinpoint the locations of food pantries, shelters, clinics. Being homeless give me a sense of idea of what people have to go through, and before, I never really thought of it.”
Steven: “And that’s a problem because a lot of people tend to just ignore the homeless. I appreciate what you’re doing about your app…have you thought about pitching the app to someone?”
Caleb: “Not yet. It’s still rough, and I don’t have the connections anymore, but once I finish it, I think it’ll gain some traction.”
Steven: “With your talent, I’m sure someone will find you and appreciate it. You can contact me if you want me to help you promote it”
Caleb: (laughs) Yes, I’ll remember that. Thanks.
Steven: “Of course, I love what you’re doing…do you mind sharing the hardest part of being out here, like an euraka moment that made you realized the need to build the app. “
Caleb: “People don’t realize how easy it is to end up here. I don’t think anyone deserves to be out here because most people who are had either one bad month or one missed paycheck, and everything just becomes so overwhelming. Also, there really aren’t enough resources for the homeless and most of them are hidden. I’ve probably gotten kicked out over twenty times just trying to find a restroom.”
Steven: “That is true. They don’t know what happened to you can happen to them too, and I have an article about the need for more public restroom that are available to everyone. I definitely think we need more.”
Caleb: “You know…I’ve always been curious about the world, about people. It’s what got me into coding in the first place because I want to try to figure out how things work. Out here, it’s a different kind of curiosity. Like, what’s the next step? How do I climb out of this? It’s a challenge and I’m curious to see how I can get out. It might sound crazy, but I would like to think that five years from now, I’ll look back and appreciate what I went through because it changed my perspective.”
Steven: “That’s a very unique perspective, and I really like that mentality because…it shows that you haven’t given up, and instead, you take this as an opportunity to become better and more knowledgeable. That’s awesome “
Caleb: “Thanks but let’s me honest, there isn’t really much for us to do outhere. If we think negatively, it’s going to be even worse for us. I mean, we can’t really go downhill from here because we already lost everything, so the only way to go is up. That makes sense right?”
Steven: “Of course, I wish everyone who’s homeless has this mentality. I’m really glad you’re sharing this..man, that is a powerful mentality to have…Is there anything you do to pass the time?”
Caleb: “I sketch. Not people or anything complicated but just shapes, patterns. It helps me focus when my mind starts racing. I used to think in code because everything was logic and structure. Sketching is like that, but looser. It’s my way of organizing myself and my thoughts.”
Steven: “That’s fascinating. Have you always been into art?”
Caleb: “Not really. I stumbled into it after I became homeless. Someone left a sketchbook on a park bench, and I picked it up and funny story, I wasn’t allowed in the library that day because it was too crowded so I just started drawing then. That was the only time I’m glad the library was crowded,”
Steven: (laughs) “What’s something about you that would surprise people?”
Caleb: “I used to run marathons. I know, looking at me now, you wouldn’t guess it, but I was big into running. It cleared my head, gave me a sense of purpose. I haven’t run in years, but sometimes I dream about it like I’m flying down the streets while blasting Katy Perry on play and no weight on my shoulders.”
Steven: “I love Katy Perry too! Her songs are amazing, especially California Girls…Do you think you’ll run again?”
Caleb: “I hope so. It’s hard out here, though. My body’s not in great shape, and I’ve got bad knees now, but if I ever do get back on my feet… both literally and figuratively, I would love to start again.”
Steven: “Literally and figuratively… that’s clever!”
Caleb: (laughs) “thanks”
Steven: “If you had three wishes, what would they be?”
Caleb: “First, I’d wish for just a roof over my head and some breathing room so I can have my own space. Second, I’d wish for my app to actually help people. My last wish would be a second chance. To make things right with my family, to rebuild what I lost. I know I can’t go back, but I want to move forward.”
Steven: “Caleb, thank you for sharing your story. You’ve been through so much and you’ve overcame so many things like your drug addiction, and that’s something you should be proud of”
Caleb: “Thanks and thank you for taking time and sharing this interview.”
The is so unbelievable sad 😢😢 It genuine breaks my heart because Caleb is so hopeful and I see myself in him. I was homeless before too, and unfortunately I didn’t have the same mentality as Caleb that time. If i could tell myself one thing, it would be to be hopeful because now I have a son and two daughters and a loving wife. Never give up!
What’s happened to this man is what can happen to ANYBODY. Unless you’re a millionaire, this man is you America. Shameful, disgraceful state of affairs.
I know what you mean. I have the same problem. I feel like I’m stagnating.
You got this Rhett! Never give up no matter what. I don’t know what you’re going through but I believe in you 🙂
Thanks! It’s been getting better lately
Don’t give up. Please. The world needs you sir.
He’s got ambition, talent, and a great idea with that app. If anyone reading this has connections in tech, maybe they can help him out?
This breaks my heart. It also changes my perspective. There’s no reason this good man should fall through the cracks of a broken system while our we wastes billions of dollars on random stuff and horrible programs. So utterly unnecessary, this suffering. God bless this man’s strength and resolve.
Also when I read the part about being kicked out over 20 times just to find a restroom made me shocked. Public spaces should be accessible to everyone, housed or not. We need to do better.
This is a man! He has great passion and that’s the most important thing a person can have. He definitely deserves a second chance. I hope he can do it and I hope we can get a follow up.
I really hope his app gets the attention it deserves because that can be a GAME CHANGER
I could be Caleb so easily. If not for the kindness and help from my stepdaughter and her husband, this could have happened to me 8 months ago. My heart breaks for him.
Yeah that’s what people are unaware of. We should symphatize with them instead of judging them, but this is not a perfect world.
Still, even with all of that bad things that’s happening, his mindset is incredible. Seeing homelessness as a challenge rather than a dead end is a powerful perspective.
You can tell that this man is a good man, with high values and morals. I wish him the best in life I really do 😢
Katy Perry FANNNN
This is wrong on so many levels. Wish him the best.
Yeah, our society needs help, and I gotta say, there are some help for the homeless and I appreciate that, but I feel like we should be doing more at a quicker rate because people are dying and suffering outside
We need better support for people trying to get back on their feet
I wish only the best for this poor man…please let something good come his way soon.
I am glad people like him exist in the world… Faith in humanity restored.
Yeah and it sucks that they’re living out in the street. I feel like he deserves it for sure but he’s suffering out there while we have a home to come to
This man deserves a second chance. You can tell he has the passion to succeed and he deserves it. I truly hope someone gives him an opportunity to clean up,
It brought tears in my eyes. What a honorable homeless man.
I agree. Why are people being treated like this anyways? Isn’t housing a basic human right?
in a good world yeah but unfortunately our world isn’t perfect
Makes you put things into perspective when you see things like this, hats off to this man, seems a genuine nice guy.
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Living about an hour away and I’m in NYC often. Keeping an eye for this guy, to help him.
Thank you and let me know how it goes!
Wish I could give this guy a hug. He totally deserves it and he’s not giving himself enough compliments for breaking free from the drug addiction… it’s not easy
I love how this interview humanizes homelessness. Too often, we see people on the street and assume the worst… great job!
Thank you so much!
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